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The Shadow Side of Meditation — what the science really says

A field guide and 39 flashcards from the Dharma Lab conversation with Cortland Dahl, Dr. Richard Davidson, Polina Beloborodova, Simon Goldberg and Matt Hirshberg of the Center for Healthy Minds: how common difficult experiences are, whether meditation causes them, who is more likely to have them, and what helps.

Field guide

The short version

  • Experiences are not effects. Something hard happening while you meditate is different from meditation causing it. Proving cause takes a randomized trial.
  • Hard moments are common. About 30% of people in the app studies reported some negative experience they linked to practice, and about 3 to 6% said it got in the way of daily life.
  • The randomized evidence is reassuring. Across the group's app, MBSR and MBCT trials, they have not found that meditation raises the rate of symptoms getting worse, and sometimes it seems to protect against it.
  • Loneliness is a consistent predictor. Social support, from friends, family or a therapist, was what participants said helped most.
  • Context matters. The data here is about apps and light-touch programs. Intensive retreats are a different question.
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What the panel found helpful

  1. Talk to someone. If practice gets strange or heavy, reach out to a friend, a teacher or a therapist. Connection came up again and again.
  2. Be kind to yourself. Sometimes it helps to keep going and see what the difficulty uncovers. Sometimes it helps to step away for a moment and come back.
  3. Check your view. If you expect meditation to make sadness disappear, sadness will feel like failure. If you expect anything can arise, it becomes part of the training.
  4. Remember the rough days count. As Mingyur Rinpoche puts it, a distracted or difficult session may be just as valuable as a peaceful one.
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§1·4

Why study the dark side?

Why researchers at the Center for Healthy Minds take possible harms from meditation seriously.

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Why study the dark side?Why does Richie say meditation research has to look for side effects?

Because meditation is now used with people who have depression, anxiety and other psychiatric issues. In any clinical science, drug or behavioral, researchers are obligated to look honestly for harm as well as benefit.

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Why study the dark side?Besides counting harms, what is the most important goal?

To predict who might have a negative effect, so practices can be tailored to the people most likely to benefit.

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Why study the dark side?According to Matt, what started the research on difficult experiences?

A reaction to the public picture of meditation as a panacea. People who had hard experiences pushed back, and that story became powerful in public, which prompted the causal questions this group asks.

› 04
Why study the dark side?What personal connection does Cort have to this research?

He was a participant in one of the first studies on difficult meditation experiences, led by Willoughby Britton, and was interviewed for it years ago.

§2·5

Experiences versus effects

The central distinction of Polina's paper.

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Experiences versus effectsWhat did Polina's new paper study?

Negative experiences during digital meditation training, specifically the Healthy Minds Program app. Earlier work looked at intensive retreats or 8-week courses like MBSR.

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Experiences versus effectsWhat is the difference between an adverse experience and an adverse effect?

An adverse experience is something negative that happened while someone was meditating. An adverse effect is something meditation actually caused. Calling it an effect needs strong causal evidence.

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Experiences versus effectsWhat did Polina find was wrong with much of the earlier literature?

Most studies did not use methods that separate experiences from effects, yet many claimed from observational data that meditation caused harm. The evidence does not support that.

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Experiences versus effectsWhat is Cort's exercise analogy?

Put 1,000 people on an exercise program and some get injured. But some would get injured anyway. The questions are whether exercise makes injury more likely, less likely, and how people relate to an injury when it happens.

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Experiences versus effectsHow does science establish that something causes something else?

The randomized trial. It is the standard for FDA drug approval, and the same design can test whether meditation raises the rate of side effects compared with a control group.

§3·5

How common are hard experiences?

The numbers the panel shared.

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How common are hard experiences?In Polina's app studies, how many people reported a negative experience they linked to meditation?

About 30% of participants across both studies. That does not mean meditation caused it, only that they attributed it to practice.

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How common are hard experiences?How many reported that it impaired their daily functioning?

About 6% in one study and 3% in the other, again as they themselves attributed it.

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How common are hard experiences?Among people who have ever meditated, how many report an adverse experience?

About 50%, from Simon's cross-sectional work, a finding since replicated almost to the exact percent.

› 04
How common are hard experiences?Why did the group modify the term "challenging"?

Because keeping your attention on your breath is challenging for nearly everyone, and that is not what anyone means by an adverse experience.

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How common are hard experiences?Were all so-called adverse experiences rated as bad?

No. Some, like increased sensitivity to sound, were rated more positive than negative. Even ones that sound bad, like poor sleep or feeling isolated, were rated across a range, never uniformly negative.

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What the randomized evidence shows

The causal picture, and its limits.

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What the randomized evidence showsHas the group found that meditation increases the chance of symptoms getting worse?

No. Across the Healthy Minds app trials and reanalyses of MBSR and MBCT data, they have found no evidence of increased symptom worsening.

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What the randomized evidence showsHas meditation ever looked protective?

Yes. In many cases people assigned to meditation had lower rates of increased symptoms than the control group.

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What the randomized evidence showsWhat happens over the weeks of a training, per Matt's newer analyses?

On some outcomes the meditation group gets worse at first, then recovers, and by the end does much better than controls. These analyses are not yet in the published paper.

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What the randomized evidence showsWhat is the Tibetan waterfall analogy?

Early practice can feel like a flood of thoughts and feelings. Meditation is not creating them; it is making you aware of what was already there. Over time the mind settles.

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What the randomized evidence showsWhat is Willoughby Britton's counterpoint?

She has argued that randomized trials are not a good setting for evaluating harm, partly because they may not measure the things that actually get disrupted. Simon acknowledged that symptom worsening is a fairly gross measure.

§5·4

Sensitivity, not more anxiety

Richie's point about awareness.

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Sensitivity, not more anxietyWhat does Richie suggest might be behind some reports of more anxiety?

Meditation may increase sensitivity to anxiety, not anxiety itself. People notice more of what is already there and report it as more anxiety.

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Sensitivity, not more anxietyWhy might that be a good sign?

It may be an early benefit, a marker that someone is engaging with the practice in the right way.

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Sensitivity, not more anxietyHow did anxiety in meditation help Cort?

Early on he had a lot of social anxiety. Feeling it during practice is what let him stay grounded when it showed up in real life. On a survey, though, it would have counted as an adverse experience.

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Sensitivity, not more anxietyWhat is Simon's therapy comparison?

Exposure therapy for anxiety is deliberately unpleasant yet one of the most effective techniques there is. Ruth Baer's work names exposure as one mechanism of mindfulness.

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Who is more likely to struggle?

Predictors, and what helped.

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Who is more likely to struggle?Who was more likely to report adverse experiences?

People who started with higher anxiety and depression. They tended to report those same feelings throughout training.

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Who is more likely to struggle?What predictor showed up in all three of Polina's studies?

Loneliness.

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Who is more likely to struggle?What did participants say helped them through?

Social support: talking with friends, family and therapists. Polina was struck by how much resilience and self-kindness came through.

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Who is more likely to struggle?How did people who had difficulties feel about learning to meditate?

The vast majority said they were still glad they learned, even those who reported difficult experiences.

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Who is more likely to struggle?How does Simon connect loneliness to the traditions?

Practices were passed down in community, sangha, with teachers. Today many people learn alone through apps, without that support.

§7·5

Context matters

Apps and light programs versus intensive retreats.

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Context mattersWhat kind of meditation does all this data cover?

Light-touch programs most people actually do: apps and courses like MBSR. It does not cover intensive retreats.

› 02
Context mattersWhere do most anecdotal reports of serious harm come from?

Almost always from people who did very intensive practice, such as long retreats. Matt says the two get conflated.

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Context mattersWhat would need to be in place before sending a beginner on a month-long retreat?

Proper pre-training, the right context, a good teacher, and the right practices.

› 04
Context mattersWhat has Simon heard about retreats and mania?

Stories of manic episodes in retreat settings, possibly triggered when sleep is reduced alongside intensive practice. His trials have not recruited people with psychosis for this reason.

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Context mattersIs there a group for whom meditation is simply off-limits?

Simon does not see one in the data. Programs adapted for psychosis and trauma-informed mindfulness for PTSD show benefit, and people with adverse childhood experiences sometimes benefit more. But those studies have structure and support, not someone alone in a room.

§8·6

Closing thoughts

Each panelist's takeaway.

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Closing thoughtsSimon's takeaway?

There is no causal evidence of harm from the trials, but challenges do happen. Pay attention, and don't barrel ahead treating meditation as a panacea.

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Closing thoughtsPolina's takeaway?

Kindness and compassion toward yourself. Sometimes keep going and see what comes up; sometimes step away for a moment, recover, and come back.

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Closing thoughtsMatt's takeaway?

Two questions for future research: motivation (why are you meditating?) and view (what do you think meditation is for?). The same sadness means something very different if you expect equanimity training rather than the absence of sadness.

› 04
Closing thoughtsWhat does Mingyur Rinpoche say about difficult sessions?

Meditating even a few minutes with a difficult situation can matter more than months of peaceful practice. Richie finds that bad, distracted days may be just as helpful as good ones.

› 05
Closing thoughtsWhat pattern has Cort seen over 35 years of practice?

Breakthroughs often came right after periods when practice felt like it was going backwards.

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Closing thoughtsRichie's closing message?

The overall findings are encouraging. Very few serious adverse effects are caused by practice, it is freely available, and there is a lot of evidence of benefit. Try it, investigate, and continue if you find it helpful.